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#38, Sam Garza, Portfolio Manager, DoubleLine

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In this episode of the CLO Investor Podcast, Shiloh Bates sits down with Sam Garza, Portfolio Manager at DoubleLine, to discuss the evolving CLO market. They explore why CLO debt continues to offer attractive relative value, the challenges facing CLO equity investors, the rise of captive CLO equity funds, and the difference between broadly syndicated and private credit CLOs. The conversation also covers software loan exposure, the impact of AI on credit markets, higher-for-longer interest rates, and proposed rating agency changes that could reshape CLO structures and investor protections.

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Shiloh Bates

Shiloh Bates, CFA joined Flat Rock Global in 2018 and is a Partner and Chief Investment Officer. Prior to that, he was a Managing Director at Benefit Street Partners. During his 20-year career, Mr. Bates has worked for several CLO managers and has been one of the largest investors in CLO securities. He wrote the book, CLO Investing with a focus on CLO Equity and BB Notes. He is also the host of the CLO Investor Podcast. Shiloh has a BA from Virginia Tech in Political Science, an MA in Public Policy from Harvard University, an MA in Financial Mathematics from the University of Chicago, and an MA in Statistics from Columbia University. He was also a specialist in psychological warfare in the US Army Reserves.

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